Comments on: My Post On Facebook You’ve Been Waiting For http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/ Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:40:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Bill Genereux http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1673 Bill Genereux Sun, 11 May 2008 16:08:29 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1673 I've been drawn into Facebook as of late. I set up a profile when it first came out, but did nothing with it. Last summer, I taught a summer course with at-risk HS students (I normally teach college level.) Those kids found me on FB. All year I've been ignoring their requests to play the silly FB games. However, recently a couple new developments have me rethinking the value of Facebook. I was able to recruit one of these students to attend college at my school to study in my new digital degree program... using Facebook for communications. I have been live chatting with a student that I thought really didn't like me or my class last summer. Turns out, I was his favorite teacher. He's not doing so well in school, but in our regular online Facebook chats I can encourage him to keep trying. I think as it grows and evolves, it will be more and more useful. For example, one of the hardest things to do is keep track of our graduates as they enter the work force. I see Facebook as the ideal way to do this. Don't discount Facebook. On the surface, it looks silly (but blogs looked silly to me a few weeks ago). The superfluous apps give it the appearance of being superfluous, but I think it all depends upon how it is used. I think there's great potential here. I’ve been drawn into Facebook as of late. I set up a profile when it first came out, but did nothing with it.

Last summer, I taught a summer course with at-risk HS students (I normally teach college level.) Those kids found me on FB. All year I’ve been ignoring their requests to play the silly FB games.

However, recently a couple new developments have me rethinking the value of Facebook.

I was able to recruit one of these students to attend college at my school to study in my new digital degree program… using Facebook for communications.

I have been live chatting with a student that I thought really didn’t like me or my class last summer. Turns out, I was his favorite teacher. He’s not doing so well in school, but in our regular online Facebook chats I can encourage him to keep trying.

I think as it grows and evolves, it will be more and more useful. For example, one of the hardest things to do is keep track of our graduates as they enter the work force. I see Facebook as the ideal way to do this.

Don’t discount Facebook. On the surface, it looks silly (but blogs looked silly to me a few weeks ago). The superfluous apps give it the appearance of being superfluous, but I think it all depends upon how it is used.

I think there’s great potential here.

]]> By: Daniel Dacey http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1669 Daniel Dacey Sat, 10 May 2008 08:52:37 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1669 Sue, Believe me with some of the technologies and changes in store for computers in general, in the next decade or so, products like Facebook are unlikely to make the transition. Facebook from a technical perspective is an appalling bad application anyway and grates on me for that reason alone. We are as a company developing online tools, that could be branded 2.0 if you wish, but I trust by the time people see them they won't be as I suspect that will hinder their chances of success. The technologies are intended to outlast that phase in personal computing anyway and introduce us to a new market beyond that. The changes to how we do computing, the user interfaces, the online and offline models are going to undergo radical changes in some areas and it will be industry lead if history is any guide. My best guess is the online world will one day seem as significant as the “Multimedia PC” was to another era. Just a subset of something much bigger. People who point out the online experience in isolation, will be seen as being a bit odd! In gaming we have already made that transition with online gaming on PC’s and the latest generation game consoles, seeing as just another feature and not that special anymore. But you know the one thing education can do in all this change? It can make sure we leave no one behind and that we have inclusiveness - online and offline. That we look and question the social issues, the access to and the fairness of this new technology for everyone. That we see how it compliments – not supersedes what we already do as educators. I'm afraid I am not seeing education doing that. What I am seeing if anything it is dividing people in the education community into the “2.0 online crowd” and “the rest”. That is a shame and a source of real disappointment to me, as the online experience is part of much bigger changes that are coming and we need everyone on board that train. 2.0 will be a footnote in IT history soon enough when the VC funding and “me too” companies fail to monetise their products successfully. The future beyond that is what is exciting to me. Soooo.. nah I’ll give Facebook a pass and try my best to never say 2.0 on my blog! :) Dan www.mobilemainframe.com Sue,
Believe me with some of the technologies and changes in store for computers in general, in the next decade or so, products like Facebook are unlikely to make the transition. Facebook from a technical perspective is an appalling bad application anyway and grates on me for that reason alone.

We are as a company developing online tools, that could be branded 2.0 if you wish, but I trust by the time people see them they won’t be as I suspect that will hinder their chances of success. The technologies are intended to outlast that phase in personal computing anyway and introduce us to a new market beyond that.

The changes to how we do computing, the user interfaces, the online and offline models are going to undergo radical changes in some areas and it will be industry lead if history is any guide.

My best guess is the online world will one day seem as significant as the “Multimedia PC” was to another era. Just a subset of something much bigger. People who point out the online experience in isolation, will be seen as being a bit odd! In gaming we have already made that transition with online gaming on PC’s and the latest generation game consoles, seeing as just another feature and not that special anymore.

But you know the one thing education can do in all this change? It can make sure we leave no one behind and that we have inclusiveness – online and offline. That we look and question the social issues, the access to and the fairness of this new technology for everyone. That we see how it compliments – not supersedes what we already do as educators. I’m afraid I am not seeing education doing that. What I am seeing if anything it is dividing people in the education community into the “2.0 online crowd” and “the rest”.

That is a shame and a source of real disappointment to me, as the online experience is part of much bigger changes that are coming and we need everyone on board that train. 2.0 will be a footnote in IT history soon enough when the VC funding and “me too” companies fail to monetise their products successfully.

The future beyond that is what is exciting to me.

Soooo.. nah I’ll give Facebook a pass and try my best to never say 2.0 on my blog! :)

Dan
http://www.mobilemainframe.com

]]> By: Sue Waters http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1664 Sue Waters Fri, 09 May 2008 22:46:47 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1664 @Soutravelers3 - I could imagine with your traveling that Facebook would be one of the best ways of maintaining contact with your friends. My International students all use Facebook to connect with their friends in different countries. @mscofino I'm not so into LinkedIn. Do you use the LinkedIn questions at all? And if so how do the responses compare to twitter? @Dan Happy to be banned from Facebook (oh I suppose I shouldn't wish for that). Whether we like it or not most Web 2.0 tools can help us with our work. @Soutravelers3 – I could imagine with your traveling that Facebook would be one of the best ways of maintaining contact with your friends. My International students all use Facebook to connect with their friends in different countries.

@mscofino I’m not so into LinkedIn. Do you use the LinkedIn questions at all? And if so how do the responses compare to twitter?

@Dan Happy to be banned from Facebook (oh I suppose I shouldn’t wish for that). Whether we like it or not most Web 2.0 tools can help us with our work.

]]> By: Daniel Dacey http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1646 Daniel Dacey Tue, 06 May 2008 16:18:42 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1646 Hmm Sue you might be banned by the Facebook crowd. ;) Nice video. Is it now safe for me to say some other 2.0 tools are about as interesting as facebook? Ouch! Ok I will go back to VR 1.0 World and wait. :) Dan Hmm Sue you might be banned by the Facebook crowd. ;) Nice video.

Is it now safe for me to say some other 2.0 tools are about as interesting as facebook?

Ouch!

Ok I will go back to VR 1.0 World and wait. :)

Dan

]]> By: mscofino http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1634 mscofino Fri, 02 May 2008 04:24:17 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1634 @christophe I use Linked In and a bunch of other networks as well. Basically I try to be where the people I want to connect with are. A lot of them are on FB. @christophe I use Linked In and a bunch of other networks as well. Basically I try to be where the people I want to connect with are. A lot of them are on FB.

]]> By: Soultravelers3 http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1601 Soultravelers3 Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:40:46 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1601 Thanks for the giggle! I do use facebook a little & think it can have its place, but I really hate the endless apps and silliness there. Thanks for the giggle! I do use facebook a little & think it can have its place, but I really hate the endless apps and silliness there.

]]> By: Sue Waters http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1596 Sue Waters Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:44:08 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1596 @Christophe Linkedin fits in a funny category with the educators. Definitely a very important community for the web community and web developers but not huge with educators. I don't read anything in FB and only respond to messages from it. @Ronaldo this video was brilliant and definitely well done. @Marie glad to hear I have another FB hater on my team. Perhaps this is the issue bloggers don't necessarily get FB and regular mainstream FB people definitely misunderstand what blogging is about. @Christophe Linkedin fits in a funny category with the educators. Definitely a very important community for the web community and web developers but not huge with educators. I don’t read anything in FB and only respond to messages from it.

@Ronaldo this video was brilliant and definitely well done.

@Marie glad to hear I have another FB hater on my team. Perhaps this is the issue bloggers don’t necessarily get FB and regular mainstream FB people definitely misunderstand what blogging is about.

]]> By: Marie http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1595 Marie Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:16:05 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1595 There's something about Facebook that has never attracted me ....blogging is a different feel and category, more personal yet can maintain privacy ... so yes I loved the video! There’s something about Facebook that has never attracted me ….blogging is a different feel and category, more personal yet can maintain privacy … so yes I loved the video!

]]> By: Ronaldo http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1593 Ronaldo Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:10:51 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1593 Totally agree and the video is fabulous! Very funny and professional (regarding the technical part). Totally agree and the video is fabulous! Very funny and professional (regarding the technical part).

]]> By: christophe http://suewaters.com/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/comment-page-1/#comment-1592 christophe Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:24:19 +0000 http://aquaculturepda.edublogs.org/2008/04/24/my-post-on-facebook-youve-been-waiting-for/#comment-1592 @mscofino : What about something more specific like linkedin to find professional connection ? @Sue : I use FB only to test our FB apps. Apart from that, I do not yet see any interest for me in using it. I find that the information is not scoped/categorized enough for me. Maybe I'm lazy and I do not like to have to read too many uninteresting stuff before I find something interesting ;-) However, I understand that I probably do not invested enough time to know how to use it correctly. @mscofino : What about something more specific like linkedin to find professional connection ?
@Sue : I use FB only to test our FB apps. Apart from that, I do not yet see any interest for me in using it. I find that the information is not scoped/categorized enough for me. Maybe I’m lazy and I do not like to have to read too many uninteresting stuff before I find something interesting ;-)
However, I understand that I probably do not invested enough time to know how to use it correctly.

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